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Health Care: It's What Ails Us

For Joel Segal, it was the day he was kicked out of George Washington Hospital, still on an IV after knee surgery, without insurance, and with $100,000 in medical debt. For Kiki Peppard, it was having to postpone needed surgery until she could find a job with insurance—it took her two years. People all over the United States are waking up to the fact that our system of providing health care is a disaster.

An estimated 50 million Americans lack medical insurance, and a similar and rapidly growing number are underinsured. The uninsured are excluded from services, charged more for services, and die when medical care could save them—an estimated 18,000 die each year because they lack medical coverage.

READ MORE OF THE YES! TAKE ON HEALTH CARE


Doctor's Orders: Coverage for Everyone: Dr. Rocky White is an advocate for single-payer health care. Daina Saib writes about his quest.


Health Care By and For the People, Sarah van Gelder takes a look at our broken health care systemand what Obama is doing to fix it.


Just the Facts: Lilja Otto charts the increasing cost of health care in the U.S.


Cuba's Cure: Why is Cuba exporting its health care miracle to the world's poor? Sarah van Gelder investigates.

But it's not only the uninsured who suffer. Of the more than 1.5 million bankruptcies filed in the U.S. each year, about half are a result of medical bills; of those, three-quarters of filers had health insurance.

Businesses are suffering too. Insurance premiums increased 73 percent between 2000 and 2005, and per capita costs are expected to keep rising. The National Coalition on Health Care (NCHC) estimates that, without reform, national health care spending will double over the next 10 years. The NCHC is not some fringe advocacy group—its co-chairs are Congressmen Robert D. Ray (R-IA) and Paul G. Rogers (D-FL), and it counts General Electric and Verizon among its members.

Employers who want to offer employee health care benefits can't compete with low-road employers who offer none. Nor can they compete with companies located in countries that offer national health insurance.

The shocking facts about health care in the United States are well known. There's little argument that the system is broken. What's not well known is that the dialogue about fixing the health care system is just as broken.

Among politicians and pundits, a universal, publicly funded system is off the table. But Americans in increasing numbers know what their leaders seem not to—that the United States is the only industrialized nation where such stories as Joel's and Kiki's can happen.

And most Americans know why: the United States leaves the health of its citizens at the mercy of an expensive, patchwork system where some get great care while others get none at all.

The overwhelming majority—75 percent, according to an October 2005 Harris Poll—want what people in other wealthy countries have: the peace of mind of universal health insurance.

A wild experiment?

Which makes the discussion all the stranger. The public debate around universal health care proceeds as if it were a wild, untested experiment—as if the United States would be doing something never done before.

Yet universal health care is in place throughout the industrialized world. In most cases, doctors and hospitals operate as private businesses. But government pays the bills, which reduces paperwork costs to a fraction of the American level. It also cuts out expensive insurance corporations and HMO's, with their multimillion-dollar CEO compensation packages, and billions in profit. Small wonder "single payer" systems can cover their entire populations at half the per capita cost. In the United States, people without insurance may live with debilitating disease or pain, with conditions that prevent them from getting jobs or decent pay, putting many on a permanent poverty track. They have more difficulty managing chronic conditions—only two in five have a regular doctor—leading to poorer health and greater cost.

The uninsured are far more likely to wait to seek treatment for acute problems until they become severe.

Even those who have insurance may not find out until it's too late that exclusions, deductibles, co-payments, and annual limits leave them bankrupt when a family member gets seriously ill.

In 2005, more than a quarter of insured Americans didn't fill prescriptions, skipped recommended treatment, or didn't see a doctor when sick, according to the Commonwealth Fund's 2005 Biennial Health Insurance Survey.

People stay in jobs they hate—for the insurance. Small business owners are unable to offer insurance coverage for employees or themselves. Large businesses avoid setting up shops in the United States—Toyota just chose to build a plant in Canada to escape the skyrocketing costs of U.S. health care.

All of this adds up to a less healthy society, more families suffering the double whammy of financial and health crises, and more people forced to go on disability.

But the public dialogue proceeds as if little can be done beyond a bit of tinkering around the edges. More involvement by government would create an unwieldy bureaucracy, they say, and surely bankrupt us all. The evidence points to the opposite conclusion.

The United States spends by far the most on health care per person—more than twice as much as Europe, Canada, and Japan which all have some version of national health insurance. Yet we are near the bottom in nearly every measure of our health.

The World Health Organization (WHO) ranks the U.S. health care system 37th of 190 countries, well below most of Europe, and trailing Chile and Costa Rica. The United States does even worse in the WHO rankings of performance on level of health—a stunning 72nd. Life expectancy in the U.S. is shorter than in 27 other countries; the U.S. ties with Hungary, Malta, Poland, and Slovakia for infant mortality—ahead of only Latvia among industrialized nations.

The cost of corporate bureaucracy

Where is the money going? An estimated 15 cents of each private U.S. health care dollar goes simply to shuffling the paperwork. The administrative costs for our patched-together system of HMO's, insurance companies, pharmaceutical manufacturers, hospitals, and government programs are nearly double those for single-payer Canada. It's not because Americans are inherently less efficient than Canadians—our publicly funded Medicare system spends under five cents per budget dollar on administrative overhead. And the Veterans Administration, which functions like Britain's socialized medical system, spends less per patient but consistently outranks private providers in patient satisfaction and quality of care.

But in the private sector, profits and excessive CEO pay are added to the paperwork and bureaucracy. The U.S. pharmaceutical industry averages a 17 percent profit margin, against three percent for all other businesses. In the health care industry, million-dollar CEO pay packages are the rule, with some executives pulling down more than $30 million a year in salary and amassing billion-dollar stock option packages.

Do those costs really make the difference?

Studies conducted by the General Accounting Office, the Congressional Budget Office, and various states have concluded that a universal, single-payer health care system would cover everyone—including the millions currently without insurance—and still save billions.

Enormous amounts of money are changing hands in the health-industrial complex, but little is going to the front line providers—nurses, nurse practitioners, and home health care workers who put in long shifts for low pay. Many even find they must fight to get access to the very health facilities they serve.

Doctors complain of burnout as patient loads increase. They spend less time with each patient as they spend more time doing insurance company mandated paperwork and arguing with insurance company bureaucrats over treatments and coverage.

Americans know what they want

The shocking fact about health careIn polls, surveys, town meetings, and letters, large majorities of Americans say they have had it with a system that is clearly broken and they are demanding universal health care. Many businesses—despite a distaste for government involvement—are coming to the same view. Doctors, nurses, not-for-profit hospitals, and clinics are joining the call, many specifically saying we need a single-payer system like the system in Canada. And while we hear complaints about Canada's system, a study of 10 years of Canadian opinion polling showed that Canadians are more satisfied with their health care than Americans. Holly Dressel's article shows why.

Although you'd never know it from the American media, the number of Canadians who would trade their system for a U.S.-style health care system is just eight percent.

Again, the public dialogue proceeds from a perplexing place. Dissatisfied Canadians or Britons are much talked about. But there's little mention of the satisfaction level of Americans. The Commonwealth Fund's survey, for instance, shows that, in 2005, 42 percent of Americans doubted whether they could get quality health care. At a series of town hall meetings in Maine, facilitators asked participants to discuss dozens of complex health care policies but excluded single-payer as an option. (See Tish Tanski's article.) Only after repeated demands by participants was the approach that cuts out the corporate middle-men allowed on the list.

The same story played out across the country at town meetings convened by the congressionally mandated Citizens' Health Care Working Group. In Los Angeles, New York, and Hartford, participants simply refused to consider the questions they were given about tradeoffs between cost, quality, and accessibility. They insisted that there's already enough money being spent to pay for publicly funded universal health care.

But it's not only about the money. Comments from participants in the town meetings, from Fargo to Memphis, from Los Angeles to Providence, revealed an understanding that this is about a deeper question. It is an issue of the sort of society we want to be—one in which we all are left to sink or swim on our own or one in which we recognize that the whole society benefits when we each can get access to the help we need.

Likewise, when we asked readers of the YES! email newsletter what would make you healthier, nearly all answered in terms of “we.” Any one of us could get sick or be injured. Any one could lose a job and with it insurance. Our best security, they said, is coverage for all.

What form might this take?

As elections near and the issue of health care tops opinion polls as the most pressing domestic issue, various proposals for universal health care are circulating. The bipartisan NCHC looked at four options: employer mandates, extending existing federal programs like Medicaid to all those uninsured, creating a new federal program for the uninsured, and single-payer national health insurance. All the options saved billions of dollars compared to the current system, but single payer was by far the winner, saving more than $100 billion a year.

Meanwhile, the Citizens' Health Care Working Group, which held those town meetings around the country, has issued interim recommendations. They state the values participants expressed: All Americans should have affordable health care, and assuring that they do is a shared social responsibility. Sadly, that bold statement is followed by inconclusive recommendations: more study, no preference for public funding, and a strong commitment to get everybody covered by 2012—but with no means to do it. The commission will make final recommendations to the president and Congress, and is accepting public comment through the end of August.

What is the obstacle?

With all the support and all the good reasons to adopt universal health care, why don't we have it yet? Why do politicians refuse to talk about the solution people want?

It could be the fact that the health care industry, the top spender on Capitol Hill, spent $183.3 million on lobbying just in the second half of 2005, according to PoliticalMoneyLine.com. And in the 2003–2004 election cycle, they spent $123.7 million on election campaigns, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Politicians dread the propaganda barrage and political fallout that surrounded the failed Clinton health care plan. But in the years since, health care costs have outpaced growth in wages and inflation by huge margins, Americans have joined the ranks of the uninsured at the rate of 2 million each year, and businesses are taking a major competitiveness hit as they struggle to pay rising premiums.

Healthcare-Now (www.healthcare-now.org) is holding town hall meetings throughout the United States (they've held 93 so far), and people are pressing their representatives to take action. Over 150 unions have called for action on universal health care, and polls show overwhelming majorities of Americans feel the same way.

Some political leaders are pressing for universal health care. Remember Joel, who was kicked out of the hospital with $100,000 in medical debt? He started giving speeches about the catastrophe of our health care system, and eventually got hired by Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) to head his universal single payer health care effort. Conyers' "Medicare for All" bill now has 72 co-sponsors. Rep. Jim McDermott's (D-WA) Health Security Act has 62.

Around the United States, state and local campaigns for universal health care are making progress. (See Rev. Linda Walling's update).

One of these days, the lobbyists and their clients in government may have to get out of the way and let Americans join the rest of the developed world in the security, efficiency, and quality that comes with health care for all.


Sarah van Gelder is Executive Editor of YES! Magazine. Doug Pibel is Managing Editor of YES!

See Health Care Options at a Glance for chart comparing Socialized vs Single-Payer vs Nonprofit Multi-Payer vs Corporate Health Care

Correction: the original print version of this article contained a reference to Health Care for All holding town meetings. It is Healthcare-Now that is holding the town meetings.

Health Care For All
Pibel, D., Gelder, S. v. (2006, July 19). Health Care: It\'s What Ails Us. Retrieved February 03, 2012, from YES! Magazine Web site: http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/health-care-for-all/health-care-its-what-ails-us. All Rights Reserved


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Reader Comments

more on healthcare

Posted by audrey at Jul 23, 2009 09:45 PM
there's also an interesting article on Doctors: /blogs/healthcare/doctors-just-want-to-be-doctors in this site.

UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IN CANADA

Posted by HELENE CANADA at Jul 23, 2009 09:45 PM
I THING THAT CNN IS IRRESPONSABLE TO ACCEPT AN ADVERTISSEMENT ON HEALTH CARE IN CANADA WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING. IN CANADA WE HAVE THE BEST HEALTH CARE IN THE WORLD. WE TAKE CARE OF ALL WHOM NEED HEALTH CARE ANY COLOR ANY RELIGION AT NO CHARGE. WHICH COUNTRY CAN SAY THIS WITHOUT LYING, CERTAINLY NOT THE USA.
TAKING ANYONE FROM THE STREET THAT DID NOT GET WHAT SHE WANTED WHEN SHE WANTED IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT SHE DID NOT GET THE PROPPER CARE. STAMPING YOU FEET IS NOT AN ARGUMENT.

Response

Posted by Mario USA at Aug 01, 2009 11:35 PM
Your system provides for a government dependent society. You can keep that garbage. I love my government in the United States because I don't have a problem excepting responsibility for myself. I am so sick and tired of people making silly comments like yours, "WE TAKE CARE OF ALL WHOM NEED HEALTH CARE ANY COLOR ANY RELIGION". You try to make something a race or ethnic issue that is no issue at all. Get a clue!!!!!

Health Care (Universal)

Posted by Cassandra at Aug 09, 2009 09:33 PM
I am replying to Mario, who seems to be the clueless one. I am a citizen of the USA and it seems okay. Just because it is the USA does not mean it is a perfect country without its flaws. I witnessed someone who became sick with cancer and wished for death because he thought that was better than paying the high cost of health care. I applaud places like Canada for taking care of its citizens by ensuring all are covered. To me, that is a statement: "You are ALL important: Not just the ones who can afford it." It seems to me that the USA states that only those with money are important enough to live; the more money you have, the more important you are.

UHC

Posted by Trina at Aug 27, 2009 10:06 PM
AMEN TO WHAT CASSANDRA SAID!!

Harry

Posted by Steven at Nov 13, 2010 10:06 PM
What country is the most, inventive country in the world when it comes to medical care? The US. Hate profit all you want, but businesses competing for health care is what makes it more advanced, cheaper, and more affordable, not the bottom feeder approach of making everything free for everyone. Doctors in the UK get dick downed to about half the salary of what a US doctor makes before the high taxes, thus they get fucked big time. You've also got to consider the high demand it creates because there is no cost at all, thus you have longer waiting lines. Socialists also like to boast about how the US ranks 37 in the world for healthcare, and the idiots think it's rated by health care quality, not life expectancy which it's actually rated by. Because of this, the shitty nightmarish system Cuba is, ranks 2 behind the US, not even taking into account that communist countries lie all the time about statistics. It's not fair to rate a country's healthcare system because people don't take care of themselves and die earlier as a result. Doctors can only preform so many miracles.

I think not

Posted by alexis at Jul 01, 2011 04:38 PM
" . . . businesses competing for health care is what makes it more advanced, cheaper, and more affordable . . ."

I'm sure you either 1) have a job with health insurance and/or 2) are wealthy enough to pay for this "more advanced" health care any time you need it. Even before I was laid off from my $75K/yr job with health insurance, I could only go to the doctors on the plan, and they would only perform the tests/services the insurance company approved. Meaning that, every time I passed out at the wheel of the car, or while walking down the street, or collapsed in a store, or suffered 18-hour long muscle spasms in my legs and feet that rendered me unable to even walk or stand and had to be transported to the ER in an ambulance (which wasn't covered), the insurance "approved" doctor ran the same routine blood tests over and over again, then told me the results were "normal." I went to three insurance doctors, same thing, yet I got sicker and sicker, losing weight until I got down to 86 pounds, nauseated and unable to keep anything down at all, finally unable to even sit up for more than a couple hours a day. It took me months to save up the $300 CASH to see a doctor who is not owned by an insurance company - he took over an hour to examine me, and left no stone unturned to discover why this was happening. Turns out I have a severe, progressive NEUROLOGICAL problem - but the for-profit insurance company would only pay for their doctors to run a cholesterol test, thyroid test, and a vitamin/mineral level blood test - like those were going to find out the cause of these problems - NOT! I also am on the hook for over $9K for my "share" - co-insurance, things that weren't covered, etc. for the treatment that told me nothing was wrong, including the blood tests, because the insurance company only pays once a year for those. Yeah, Harry, this is your wonderful "INVENTIVE," "cheap" and "more affordable" health care provided in the US. I nearly DIED from this "quality" treatment, and I'll be months recovering, if I ever do recover fully. You are wrong, wrong, wrong - health insurance in the US is NOT cheaper, and definitely NOT better (unless you're able to afford to pay thousands out of your own pocket, or perhaps, if you're a Congressman whose gold-plated healthcare is paid out of MY tax dollars), but if you really think so, then please let me know where I can forward my medical bills to you to pay.

Healthcare USA vs Canadian Healthcare & Others

Posted by Roy Bliven at Dec 27, 2011 07:30 AM
I am a US Citizen and taxpayer who is married to a Canadian Citizen who is a legal Permanent Resident of the United States (USA). We have had many discussions about healthcare in the US and Canada as well as other European countries. Canada has a good health care program - but it is not without flaws (like waiting periods - sometimes months for a non-emergency visit). I am not convinced about President Obama's Healthcare plan because there are many flaws in that as well. I have read all 2000 plus pages of that plan that is modeled after Medicare, Medicaid with a few added measures of Social Security, Welfare and occasionally a few new words thrown in to make it look like a new program. It is typically a "re-worked" government Socialistic program like the ones that are not working too well right now (like Social Security - soon to be bankrupted, Medicare - on the ropes, and other social welfare programs - quickly becoming bankrupt, both Federal and the States). Yes, we do need a better solution to our socialistic systems that are bankrupting the USA and find solutions that better care for our citizens! In Canada, a retired person 65 years old has a pension where the monthly payment is in excess of $2000! When I checked last month, my payment was about $1100 and just got a 3.6 percent increase or about $37.00 more per month. By the time I pay for food, utilities and shelter, there is nothing left for anything else! I had another retirement program but that went away with the Wall Street investments. I am forced to work full time or just go on welfare - another socialistic travesty! OK, younger people who think seniors should all be killed and burned - remember that you get older each day - a move toward those retirement years. Even though I have worked for over fifty years and contributed to the system of USA, I have very little to show for it!

US Healthcare, "Socialistic" programs

Posted by vucja at Jan 08, 2012 09:49 AM
Roy Bliven, it is difficult to understand what you are actually complaining about. On one hand, you seem to want to rid the US of it's socialistic programs; on the other, you seem to be saying you don't get ENOUGH of those benefits (i.e., Canadian gets 2K SS monthly while you get only about 1100. monthly. What exactly is it that you want? Do you want to eliminate Social Security, which would also eliminate your benefits? Please clarify. What is your proposal to change things?

US Healthcare/Socialistic programs vs Canada

Posted by Roy Bliven at Jan 09, 2012 08:58 AM
You seem to want to "put words into my statements" that do not exist!
In no instance did I state that I want to rid the US of its socialistic programs. And, on the other hand, it was stated correctly that I do NOT get enough money to make SS effective to even achieve a poverty level amount. What exactly do I want? Exactly what I paid for all of my working years - payback on my investment with interest!!
I do not want to eliminate SS, rather make it for what it was intended, namely retirement benefits based upon my contributions. My account should be mine until I die and any remainder paid to my estate - less administration costs of course. Instead, though, the US government has seen fit to "take monies" out of SS to benefit the disabled, widows of veterans, children of widows to pay their college tuition costs - all of those benefits that are NOT PART OF SS!!! Point out to me where it states in Federal Statutes that SS is not only for retirement but also for others like disabled, widows of veterans to send their children to college at the expense of SS system. These additional benefits are not authorized under the SS financial system as a valid payments - except that Congress and previous administrations decided to utilize surplus in SS funds for those additional benefits. I have worked very hard for all of my 50 years to pay for SS, Medicare and other taxes required by the Federal government. Do I want to eliminate SS? No, I just would like to see it function the manner that was intended - for retirement benefits - strictly and without exception! What is your interest about my comments? Also, what are you doing to change things for the betterment of US citizens? Have I answered your questions regarding "What I want, and that I do NOT want SS eliminated - just made for retirement only with each account for the individual contributor only." If I was paying into an IRA, insurance fund or other investment that is secured, then I would want to be able to draw retirement funds for my usage after age 59-1/2 if I elect to do that. Social Security should be the same type of retirement plan or else be turned over as a retirement account that is regulated by the SS Administration - perhaps. Remember, it is not about Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Democrat or Republican political idealists. It is about US Citizens - who are valid US citizens - receiving their just due entitlements. Have I clarified enough for you? What portion do you not understand? What about your proposals?

social security, socialistic programs in US

Posted by vucja at Jan 09, 2012 10:42 AM
Roy Blivens, thanks for clarifying your thoughts! It was not clear what exactly you were thinking from reading your initial post. I think you "doth protest too much," however, over a request for clarification. I am heartened that you don't wish to eliminate SS, only make it more effective for actual retirees.

Perhaps it may happen that SS benefits will need to be changed to benefit the worker/retiree solely in the future with the elimination of benefits for children, widows, etc., legal immigrants, etc., considering the decreasing worker/population base to contribute to the system. The alternative to that, however, is the increasingly decreasing welfare system in this country. under which recipients are disparaged by others.

Incidentally, you don't mention SSI, but SSI used to be administered through the counties in the US as 3 separate welfare programs which were put under SS administration in the '70s, but which still have means testing. I don't know but assume these monies come out of the overall SS funding system as well.

Then, there is SS disability, which you didn't mention. I wonder what you think about that program?

I'm not clear exactly how you would change (?) SS, i.e., into an IRA - or lump sum payout? Unless one purchased an annuity with an lump sum pay-out, couldn't these individual IRAs, eventually be depleted, as I have heard some experience? Social Security payments would be for a lifetime, however, assuming the program continues to be solvent. Perhaps you see a combination system of SS + secured investments (annuities,etc.)

What am I doing for the betterment of US citizens? I vote (however effective that may be or not...), I provide input to my elected representatives on what I think, mainly not to further destruct programs for the working/middle class in this country,including not to eliminate SS, not to institute flat tax, not to eliminate Medicare but to find ways to strengthen it, I have done much work as a paralegal advocate in the past helping people previously failed by "the system," I have worked on campaigns for those I believed in, including recalls, I have been a suicide prevention volunteer, an advocate for those in Long Term Care facilities, a union negotiator,
overall activist, and have taken to the streets to protest government activities I thought wrong and to show others in the public that not all of us agree with the status-quo. Much of these things I mention were without pay, while I worked at a professional-level job helping to keep citizens safe, during the day. I hope this answers your questions about what I have done for US citizens.

I do not think in terms of liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, socialist, communist when I think about programs which serve US citizens, but I DO pay attention to those who would dismantle programs which serve the working class. American life is very much about politics. I just heard a line which I believe goes like this: "Ignorance is a mighty enemy which wields a mighty sword." I think we all need to try harder to understand what is transpiring in this country, but that of course will be filtered through the political/party lenses.


social security, socialistic programs in US

Posted by vucja at Jan 09, 2012 10:45 AM
Roy Blivens, thanks for clarifying your thoughts! It was not clear what exactly you were thinking from reading your initial post. I think you "doth protest too much," however, over a request for clarification. I am heartened that you don't wish to eliminate SS, only make it more effective for actual retirees.

Perhaps it may happen that SS benefits will need to be changed to benefit the worker/retiree solely in the future with the elimination of benefits for children, widows, etc., legal immigrants, etc., considering the decreasing worker/population base to contribute to the system. The alternative to that, however, is the increasingly decreasing welfare system in this country. under which recipients are disparaged by others.

Incidentally, you don't mention SSI, but SSI used to be administered through the counties in the US as 3 separate welfare programs which were put under SS administration in the '70s, but which still have means testing. I don't know but assume these monies come out of the overall SS funding system as well.

Then, there is SS disability, which you didn't mention. I wonder what you think about that program?

I'm not clear exactly how you would change (?) SS, i.e., into an IRA - or lump sum payout? Unless one purchased an annuity with an lump sum pay-out, couldn't these individual IRAs, eventually be depleted, as I have heard some experience? Social Security payments would be for a lifetime, however, assuming the program continues to be solvent. Perhaps you see a combination system of SS + secured investments (annuities,etc.)

What am I doing for the betterment of US citizens? I vote (however effective that may be or not...), I provide input to my elected representatives on what I think, mainly not to further destruct programs for the working/middle class in this country,including not to eliminate SS, not to institute flat tax, not to eliminate Medicare but to find ways to strengthen it, I have done much work as a paralegal advocate in the past helping people previously failed by "the system," I have worked on campaigns for those I believed in, including recalls, I have been a suicide prevention volunteer, an advocate for those in Long Term Care facilities, a union negotiator,
overall activist, and have taken to the streets to protest government activities I thought wrong and to show others in the public that not all of us agree with the status-quo. Much of these things I mention were without pay, while I worked at a professional-level job helping to keep citizens safe, during the day. I hope this answers your questions about what I have done for US citizens.

I do not think in terms of liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, socialist, communist when I think about programs which serve US citizens, but I DO pay attention to those who would dismantle programs which serve the working class. American life is very much about politics. I just heard a line which I believe goes like this: "Ignorance is a mighty enemy which wields a mighty sword." I think we all need to try harder to understand what is transpiring in this country, but that of course will be filtered through the political/party lenses.


Health/SS/Medicare and the future of USA Social programs

Posted by Roy Bliven at Jan 12, 2012 02:04 AM
My last name is w/o an "S". However, my family has been in the United States since 1640 on one side and my other side greeted the boat when it arrived in RI. I have a strong concern about Federal social programs that lack definite purpose! If Social Security is for elderly retirement, then keep it just that! No SSI, disability programs or college tuition aids. My funding to the SS system was intended for retirement. (As was everyone else) If the Feds want to fund SSI, disability and college tuition programs for children of widows, fund them separately in another program - like an optional insurance. Don't bankrupt SS!! Medicare is good - up to a point - but is being eroded by Congress. I've paid for Medicare for nearly 40 plus years - it should start at age 60 as an option for any senior needing healthcare. Some elders fall through the "wormhole!" Health insurance in USA needs work, but not rubber stamping of existing programs! Our current system is flawed and has been raped by many administrations - both Democrat and Republican. We need EFFECTIVE leaders to undo the mess and intelligent voters in USA to make efficient government. End of story!!!

Universal health care

Posted by Octavian at Nov 20, 2009 10:25 PM
This following comment is directed to all those blind Americans who are for the privatization of health care. It is hard for me to grasp how a world power such as the USA can accept a backwards system such as private health care. It is in its own way a barbaric system no better than feudalism. To deny people who need health care the most because they don't have the adequate funds to pay for it. How can you socialize education but not health care? By that logic why don't you privatize law enforcement? Why don't you privatize your army? Basic health care is a right to all human beings, how can you put a price on the lives of your fellow citizens? How can you accept and defend a system so medieval? What's worse is that all these lobbyists on CNN and Fox news are talking about universal health care as if it was communism, and all the uneducated ignorant part of America (which unfortunately makes up the majority) actually believe that. It is a national shame for the US to "force" its citizens to come to my country to take advantage of our health care system because they cant afford proper health care back home. It seems to me that capitalism is more important than democracy in the USA. The problem is how no regulation in your economic system was allowed to hijack your government. Now private corporations own America not the people. Your system breeds greed, caring about maximizing profits rather than the needs of its citizens. And your right to vote is only a useless ritual when the congressmen and senators are bought off by insurance companies etc. Capitalism is about the freedom to choose. But how can you have any freedom if you're in debt? You don't even have freedom to life if you cant pay your deductible fees. Anyways the US needs severe reforms in its economic system, starting with universal health care and regulating the markets, just like they did in the EU. But I largely digress.

Universal Health Care

Posted by Stephen O'Rear at Feb 15, 2010 01:23 PM
For all those who use this website to bash the USA on its economy, health care system, or just to say that the citizens are all stupid and blind. I am a U.S. citizen and for anyone to say Americans are selfish and barbarians, they are wrong. Even though millions of families are struggling to make it by, including mine, they still seem to find a way to help the people in Haiti. The people who came to this website to bash the American integrity and intelligence are selfish themselves. I have nothing against Canada or any other nation, but I came to this website trying to find information on universal healthcare and all I found were some people trying to take a stab at the United States of America. If you really wanted to help certain people who made comments about the infrastucture of USA, then please don't comment. If we're blind then atleast one American is trying to find out about the benefits of universal healthcare and not try and fight about which country is better.

Jabbing the USA?

Posted by Paul McLean at Mar 19, 2010 07:29 AM
Sorry Stephen,

I don't believe responders, Americans included, are just jabbing away at the USA for the fun of it. Information on Universal Healthcare is available on this and other websites. However, those Americans who obviously are attempting to cloud issues by waving flags and accusing everyone else of American-bashing are sorry to say "out to lunch". If you can't find a better, reasonable, justifiable argument against our healthcare then fine, go have at it. No other industrialized nation in the whole world would want what you are so vehemently defending. How much more proof needs to be thrown in your faces?

Paul, CANADA

Universal Health Care

Posted by Stephen at Mar 19, 2010 08:34 AM
I am sorry for my previous comment because it was malicious. I wanted to see people have meaningful conversations without the obscurity and scrutinizing. With that said, I am definitely not defending the health care system we currently have now. I am all for the Universal Health Care but I wanted to come on a website to find some information on it so I can educate myself on what will happen if it passes. I've read about Universal Health Care, but its a big change and with the way the economy is, people are wary on what decision to make. It's not so much the American people, but the government and congress that is in control on whether or not it passes. It's sad to say but the Republicans that have a seat in Congress veto anything President Obama wants to pass, regardless of what it may be.

CRAP!

Posted by Domo at Jan 28, 2011 12:17 PM
I am a 16 year old citizen in the United States and as Im growing up I have realized that America is a piece of shit country and I do plan on moving to the UK in two years.

Leaving US for UK? BYE BYE!!!

Posted by Roy Bliven at Jan 12, 2012 02:09 AM
Think grass is greener on the other side of the ocean? You need to educate yourself further and maybe try cleaning up your language used in your comments. Keep conversations civil. Our old adage in USA: America - love it or leave it! Bon Voyage!!!

Universal Healthcare from a "blind" American.

Posted by Roy Bliven at Jan 09, 2012 09:14 AM
Octavian:
So am I to believe that you are also a "blind" Liberal or Socialist who is of the conception that your beliefs and your opinions about Healthcare are the only way to go in America? You spoke about uneducated ignorant America that makes up the majority (of the USA?)
As an outsider to the this world and the United State of America, what is on your mind? If you consider yourself educated, then why do you state that "your right to vote is a useless ritual when Congress and Senators are bought off by insurance companies, etc." That is another way to say, "our votes do not count!" If you believe that, then obviously you do not understand the political system in the USA and that you too should include yourself in the blind category that is uneducated and ignorant about the political process and voting, in particular. All of Congress is held accountable for their behavior by the voting citizens of America. If anyone allows their representatives to circumvent the political process and accept bribes from anyone, then we - the people - have only ourselves to blame. Show me, for fact, where it is proven that bribes - in any form - were accepted by a member of Congress and I will show you a missed opportunity to admonish that member for their illegal actions!

social security, universal health care, capitalism

Posted by vucja at Jan 12, 2012 09:05 AM
Octavian, I agree with your thinking. How can we get people to become more informed so that they can make a more informed, intelligent choice??? Thinking in this country has been so manipulated, possibly because people don't want to become informed, they'd rather read novels and watch movies, and also because typical Americans don't come out of the fish bowl, and don't have a good basis of comparison for what is done in other countries - "comparative public policy."

If people want to watch a good movie which mirrors life, they should watch "Matewan." Hope I spelled it correctly.

Mario Needs to Educate Himself

Posted by Paul McLean at Mar 19, 2010 07:12 AM
Mario needs to educate himself on the Canadian Healthcare he so obviously despises. Mario, are you a business owner, an employee who has full health insurance benefits, rich and retired? What background do you have to spout "I love my country crap etc."? We all love our countries - just look at Canada when we beat the USA Hockey Team in the Winter Olympics. So I do not accept your flag waving propaganda that some Americans use when something they don't like challenges their status quo - 'I'm alright Jack, screw you" simplifications do nothing to solve America's problems, in fact that national attitude is significantly responsible for the economic disaster your country has become!
Health care in Canada is our most cherished national program. Any politician of any stripe who dares to fiddle with our healthcare is out on his political buttocks come election time. Our user pay system works most of the time for everyone, every system has its cracks but I believe ours is still the best in the world. In the last 5 years I have had hospital care and surgeries that in the States would have cost me $500,000 minimum - in other words if I were Joe average American I would be bankrupt or as in the article, out on the street on my a.. with the IV still attached; although I'm surprised they didn't keep the IV and wash it out for the next financially challenged victim of you blessed private system!
Those of us who are well off, that are IE. earning >$100,000/year, pay an additional health levy of $1,000/year to help bolster the system - especially for medications - usually from American suppliers at GROSSLY inflated prices to produce grossly inflated profits for the American HAVES! I do not mind one iota helping out the best system in the world for ALL Canadians.
So take your flag-waving and accusations of too-much dependence on Government and stick it. The Canadian government didn't borrow 2 TRILLION dollars last year to try to prop up its PRIVATE business sector including your major Corrupt Banking and Stock sectors. You owe so much money it will never be paid back and the rest of the world won't support your selfish habits much longer. All empires have their peaks and all empires end up destroying themselves, usually from within from greed, sloth, indifference for your fellow man and your infuriating attitude of “self-entitlement” that you are somehow "better" than any others in the world so you deserve the most and the best of everything...it is after all, your right...eh?

Paul, CANADA

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Posted by bj at Jun 24, 2010 02:05 PM
Well said Paul. And this is coming from an American. The ignorance in this country is unbelievable. I was talking to some friends about how America will probably end up being taken over because of their greed. And every single person responded with "that could never happen." And they actually took offense to my comment as if I was insulting them directly. Can't wait till I can travel and see how the rest of the world operates.

healthcare

Posted by Cindy at Oct 01, 2010 09:49 PM
You are full of NO knowledge to say americans get the coverage they need! You need to get a clue and do some homework

universal health care

Posted by denise at Nov 15, 2010 10:20 AM
mario you need to get a clue honey!!!!!!our healthcare system revolves around one thing and it is not the health of americans it is money!!!!!and who sees that money the ceo's of insurance companies!!!!!while they are making 30 million a year people are dying because they cant afford healthcare you are an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!I think you should do a little more research on universal healthcare!!!!!!!!!

Canada Health Care

Posted by Larry at Aug 12, 2009 09:35 AM
And How long do you have to wait it see a doctor.

Larry - re. Canadian Health Care

Posted by Dave Earle at Oct 05, 2009 08:30 AM
Canadians wait no longer to see a doctor than you do in the US.
Instead of just spewing out comments you heard on Fix News, take a little time and do some of your own research.
For some strange reason Americans just don't get it and probably never will.

Universal Health care

Posted by Tom C. at Oct 27, 2009 12:59 PM
Please don't put all Americans in the same boat; I'm American and I fully understand that there is indisputable evidence showing that universal health care is the way to go. To tell you the truth I really have no idea why some my dimwitted countrymen haven't connected the dots. Unfortunately they probably never will either but believe me there are a great number of us who how understand our situation and fight for a movement toward universal health care in America, or at the very least more regulation in our current health care system.

Conservatives are the bane of america

Posted by jerry at Mar 17, 2010 10:56 AM
Blame the conservatives and religious nutcases. They are responsible for holding back equality and gay marriage back. They are responsible for all the deaths of those who cannot afford health care. Conservatives are nothing but a hindrance to not only our country, but our society. Conservatives are people who are afraid of change and reality. They believe in a "higher" power to console themselves for when they die.

Wrong info

Posted by Rebekah at Dec 10, 2009 10:57 AM
Canada does not have the best health care in the world; France does. Do not judge the U.S.A's governemnt and health care unless you know what you are talking about and have all the info. The U.S.A May have some problems but it's not that bad. I agree that we need universal health care but you're being too judgemental on something you seem to have no clue about. Please next time in order to put up a proper argument get your facts and the way you said things seems like you're stomping your feet not stamping them.

France has best healthcare system?

Posted by Roy Bliven at Jan 09, 2012 09:24 AM
Rebekah,
Perhaps you're right that France has the best healthcare in the world. But, my points about Canada vs the USA healthcare system is that the Canadian system works even with flaws. The US healthcare system also functions with its flaws. The French system also functions, but the only ones I see beating down their doors for health care are the French protestors who claim that the French financial system is not working. The point is - everything works even with flaws in the systems. I have heard that other countries also have great healthcare. That explains why people from other countries come to the US for health care.

France has best healthcare system?

Posted by Roy Bliven at Jan 09, 2012 09:24 AM
Rebekah,
Perhaps you're right that France has the best healthcare in the world. But, my points about Canada vs the USA healthcare system is that the Canadian system works even with flaws. The US healthcare system also functions with its flaws. The French system also functions, but the only ones I see beating down their doors for health care are the French protestors who claim that the French financial system is not working. The point is - everything works even with flaws in the systems. I have heard that other countries also have great healthcare. That explains why people from other countries come to the US for health care.

universal health care ,US health care

Posted by Vucja at Jan 12, 2012 09:21 AM
It does appear that increasing numbers of Americans go to other countries for more affordable health care, surgeries, dental, etc. I know of someone who went to Hungary for dental crowns and saved much money. It's been referred to as "medical tourism" I believe.

Ikr

Posted by Morgan Courtney at Oct 20, 2011 11:28 AM
You probably don't know who I am but I'm a girl in seventh grade. Have u ever watched the orile factor it's on Chanel 360 he always says that quote "the spin stops here" which kind of means that CNN and all of thouse other shows twist up the story slot.

Universal health care.

Posted by TERESA at Aug 20, 2009 08:38 AM
Yes.. i would like to know in canada, what is the process for getting health care services? Do you get to have a free second opionion. It has been hinted that the United States health care they are trying to pass,that a patient will have to pay out of pocket for a second opinion. Also, what if you are 80yrs old and need a hip replacement? Are they happening in Canada? If it was President Obamas mom or dad they would get it..Can he say the same if it is yours? I don't understand the urgency with passing this through. Anybody have an answer to the urgency?

Universal Health Care

Posted by Erica at Sep 29, 2009 10:35 AM
I am Canadian and have grown up with Universal health care. To answer your question, no we don't have to pay for second or even third opinions. There are no charges to us when we see a doctor or go to the hospital regardless of how many times we go or how many doctors we see. We choose our own doctors, we have no copays or deductibles. People of all ages are cared for, the young to the elderly and yes, hip replacements are being performed for the elderly when needed.

Urgency of health care reform

Posted by Audrey Watson at Aug 20, 2009 08:44 AM
see also: http://yesmagazine.org/blog[…]-health-care-public-option. We can't afford not to change our healthcare!

dual citizen

Posted by Alicia at Nov 20, 2009 10:27 PM
Being a dual citizen of both Canada and the USA...I would have to agree that Universal healthcare is the way to go...

health care

Posted by rick at Nov 23, 2009 03:06 PM
I am from England I have the best health care in America right now. you dont realize how good you have it. and yet you want to change it. I feel sorry for you

Health care

Posted by Darlene at Dec 06, 2009 10:59 PM
England has socialized medicine not universal health care and there is a very big difference. I have been a nurse for 35 years and worked with nurses from European socialized medicine and Canadian universal health care. We have sat down and discussed the systems at length. From my perspective as a long time participant in this system, Universal health care is the way to go. People could still purchase individual policies (like a supplemental policy) for things such as possible future transplants. The Universal also stresses much more preventive. This would also free up billions of dollars to do much more research. Now who will be hurt by Universal health care? The profit makers such as pharmaceutical companies ( I have taken care of patients who were billed 40k for one dose of chemo...yes, one dose), suppliers who charge 4k for one small screw for a wrist nailing or $750.00 for one set of surgical scissors. I love the idea of free enterprise except I think the health care industry has taken lessons from Wall Street.

Universal vs. Socialized

Posted by Rich at Jan 04, 2010 09:50 AM
What is being proposed in the US is not universal or socialized health care; it is a single payer system insurance program. This will eventually drive the private health insurers out of business because the government does not have to make money on its insurance program; if it needs more money it simply rasies taxes or prints more! (Remember, our money is no longer back by gold.) The ulitmate goal is not to provide health care to everyone but to become the only SOURCE of health care insurance to everyone. That gives the party in power trememdous leverage over the voters.
We presently have three government paid health care programs in the US: Medicaid, Medicare, and SCHIP. Anyone who does not have health care now can be covered by one of those three programs! Don't give me the "working poor" whine or "it's for the children". Under SCHIP families making up to $83,000/yr. can get government health insurance for children up to 25 years old!
The new healthcare reform is not about health; it is about power and control.
My counsin in Scotland last summer woke up partially paralyzed. He drove to the ER and shuffled in to the waiting room. The diagnosis? "You've suffered a stroke." The treatment? "Take these pills and we'll arrange an appoint with the doctor four weeks from now." You gotta like that hope and change!

CONFLICTED

Posted by Drew at Feb 06, 2010 11:36 PM
I can certainly appreciate the idea of universal health care,and I understand a societal moral necessity to care for those whom may be unable to care for themselves. There is only one problem that I have with universalized health care though, and that is the pay cuts that will ensue for those in medical professions. Some may argue that doctors are already paid an outrageous amount and that they charge too much, but I do not believe that these people understand the grueling process towards becoming a doctor. There are reasons that doctors are paid so much. First off, doctors must endure 4 years of college and 4 years of medical school, leaving a minimum debt of $300,000; not to mention the time and stress that goes along with pre-med and medical studies. Then, after graduating from med-school, there is generally a 3-8 year residency process, where residents are often required to work 80 hrs a week for pay of 45-60,000 a year(this is before malpractice is deducted). I am graduating college and going into medical school, and am truly concerned now whether this career pathway is going to work out for me logically and financially. The idea of investing so much money, working ridiculous hours, experiencing relentless stress, and never sleeping, seems overextend the payback in a system that hopes to cut the pay of doctors. I am not trying to be greedy, but I am truly concerned that I will not be able to support a family and that my college and med-school debts will never be paid back. I have worked very hard all my life with dreams of one day working in surgery, and it is very disheartening to have my dreams replaced with doubts. After talking to many other pre-med students, as well as those already in medical school, I have begun to realize that this is not a concern unique to me. I believe that the socialization of medicine over all will: decrease nationwide interests in pursuing medical careers, lead to a declination in quality of care as a result of the elimination of competition, and reduce the medically related innovative ability of America. I would love to see health care universalized, but will this not be significantly damaging from an economical standpoint? And, does the government also intend to more appropriately aid in the education of medical personel to make up for these shortcomings? I am conflicted...

Article

Posted by Joshua at Feb 17, 2010 06:39 PM
I believe that this article exaggerates becasue 50 million people is not alot of uninsured people compared to the 308,706,069 people of america. So this 16% is not alot compare to what the percentage will be with universal health care in america.

stupid

Posted by niki at Mar 23, 2010 02:31 PM
I would like to know why EVERYONE is hating on the USA, when thousands of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are trying to get into America. If the USA is so bad, why do people from other countries that have universal health care come to the USA for health care. If the USA gets universal health care, taxes will increase and I personally don't want to pay for illegal immigrants health care, or anyone else health care for that fact. If the USA is so bad and Canada is so great - where is Canada's role when world disasters happen. The USA always steps up and helps other countries when needed and we DO NOT take any crap from other countries who run planes into our world trade centers and pentagon.

Everyone that's for universal health care has not read into the problems with it. Waiting lines will be established for your regular family doctor, you will have to wait in order to see a specialist.

No

Posted by Kevin at Apr 29, 2010 07:55 AM
This is an oft-recited piece of conservative rhetoric.
Actually, the only immigrants flooding into America are ones from bordering third world countries. The USA should not be compared to third world countries, we are a fully developed country and should maintain standards equivalent to the rest of the developed world.

The US has plummeted in the last 2 decades. We have fallen below many other countries in economic stability and happiness. Nearly every sector of our society is ruled by profiteering, scandal and personal corruption.

Our health care is a complete train wreck that the rest of the world laughs at, yet our own brainwashed citizens that are being exploited by it defend it to the death under a misguided act of patriotism.

It has always been self-evident that health care should be socialized and not privatized. People who disagree with that are either very ignorant or very selfish, neither of which are becoming traits. I live in East Texas, the ignorant, bible thumping armpit of the US, and have to deal with dumb statements like "who wants Canada's health care?" all the time (hint: the answer is "any who has lived in Canada wants Canada's health care system").

Re: Health care

Posted by Joanne at Mar 30, 2010 12:57 AM
The <a title="Consumers seek short term loans for medical expenses" href="http://personalmoneystore.com/[…]/">cost of health care</a> is going through the roof, and it's no wonder that there's a lot of talk about health care reform. Medical expenses and medical payments often send people sprinting for pay day loans, and are involved if not the cause of upwards of 60% or a lot more bankruptcies. The price of medical insurance is rising for people and worse, for business employers, and one wonders just what is causing all this. If there is one thing that is for certain, if health care reform doesn't address the reason behind the rise in expenses, simply throwing money at it is only going to make things worse.

Pregnant without insurance in the U.S.

Posted by Trish at Sep 28, 2010 10:36 AM
My husband and I both had good paying jobs and were covered by his company's insurance. I lost my job due to my employer making financial cuts about a year ago and have been struggling to find employment. My husband was also let go from his job but only a month after we found out we were pregnant. The insurance company notified us that we would be dropped unless we went through COBRA, which we could not afford to pay for. We did not qualify for medicare or that program where you pay a certain amount each month. We are in this weird limbo where we eiher made too much or not enough. Now we are faced with an uninsured pregnancy and accumulating medical bills. I've had to cancel several doctor's appointments and refuse important testing do to not being able to pay for them. On top of feeling hopeless, we feel hurt that after working hard since we were both 16 and paying so much in taxes we have been left out in the cold when we need help the most. As much as people tell me not to stress for the baby's sake I can't help but come to tears when I think of how unfair the healthcare industry is in the U.S. We really have been considering leaving the country, as drastic as that may sound I think it would be worse to remain in a nation that does nothing to help those who have paid their taxes all their working life.

Perfect

Posted by Carolann at Apr 04, 2011 12:42 PM
I would like to thank all of you who posted against a universal health care system for the U.S. for making every single American look like an imbecile! If you don't know what you are talking about and are just trying to stand up for your beloved country- STOP! America has some perks, but health care is definitely not one of them. I wish people would get it out of their heads that America is this perfect country we should all be proud of, because quite frankly it's not. America is based on capitalism! How selfish is that? We thrive on making money off of other people's misfortunes! A universal health care system would put us on the right path to the Utopia that everyone should want. There is no point in thinking of only yourself and how much you will have to pay in taxes when it comes to everyone getting quality health care. Most people who pay for insurance now would be saving money by paying extra tax for health care instead! And to think that America is supposedly inhabiting a majority of "Christians"!!! Selfishness and greed is not becoming of anyone! For the record I am not a christian, but I find comfort in knowing that I care more about my neighbors than 95% of christians I know who are supposed to base their life around helping others!!!

Health care

Posted by AnabelK at Apr 06, 2011 10:22 AM
In fact, health is the most precious gift given us by the nature and we should care about it. I think that medical insurance is really necessary, unfortunately, some people can't afford it as it is rather expensive. This actually causes particular problems. Most of people experience rather tough financial times, therefore, the medical insurance can become really difficult to manage. In fact, it seems to me sometimes that the government doesn't even try to improve the situation and make the education and medical insurance cheaper so that people can afford it. The default rate on student loans is really high.
http://ameriloansearch.com/[…]/default-rate-on-student-loans.html

Patriotism??

Posted by Judith at Sep 13, 2011 10:04 AM
I noticed that anyone opposed to Universal Health Care hides behind a veil labeled as "patriotism." Stating that people that are against the U.S. Health Care system as unpatriotic, I feel, is a false statement.

I am a citizen of the United States, my husband is self employed, and I am a homemaker with our 3 year old daughter. I would say that I am a very normal American Citizen, however, we are uninsured and cannot be in government programs for making too much, but then again not enough to afford health insurance. It's a very cruel catch-22.

To me, Patriotism is not following everything your government tells you to love, it is not sticking up for your country and it's wrong decisions.

Patriotism should be to love and care for thy brother, and by saying things like "I am responsible for myself, so everyone else should be too, if they're not, then screw them." is one of the most unpatriotic statements anyone could ever make.

If being Unpatriotic means caring about the well-being and health of other citizens that live in the same country as I, that have the same rights as I, and possibly the same dreams, then deem me unpatriotic, especially if patriotism means turning a blind eye to a brother that needs help just because they are less fortunate than you are.

We are always so quick to help with Global aid, Haiti, Japan, Etc. I'm not disagreeing with that, I think that the U.S. is very admirable for helping out with global disasters, but I just do not understand why the citizens of our country are willing to help and donate money to things like that, but are unwilling to help a brother in need. I just don't understand why some people in this country just don't care about each other at all.

Like I said, I am a citizen of this country and have been my entire life, and I just don't understand how we can be so cold hearted towards one another, especially when we cry out for help and change and you're so hell bent on making sure we don't get it.


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